JenniferB
Posted: Sep. 7 2007, 11:31 ET
So i weighed in the following morning and I lost 2.4 Pounds!!!
robert72
Posted: Sep. 7 2007, 11:37 ET
Congrats Jennifer!!! I went in around 7:30 and lost 4.2lbs, and I couldn't believe it. They told me it was all water since i'm not in ketosis yet, but it was a really positive thing. Have you been drinking a lot of water?
Shilps
Posted: Sep. 7 2007, 11:40 ET
Congrats to both of you 
Shilps
BrianB
Posted: Sep. 7 2007, 13:23 ET
| Quote (robert72 @ Sep. 07 2007,11:37) |
| Congrats Jennifer!!! I went in around 7:30 and lost 4.2lbs, and I couldn't believe it. They told me it was all water since i'm not in ketosis yet, but it was a really positive thing. Have you been drinking a lot of water? |
Well, it's not all water -- it's water and glycogen. Once the glycogen is gone, 48 hours later you should be in ketosis. Even though it's not fat, that big weight loss at the beginning is important.
Ada
Posted: Sep. 7 2007, 13:37 ET
| Quote (BrianB @ Sep. 07 2007,13:23) |
| Well, it's not all water -- it's water and glycogen. Once the glycogen is gone, 48 hours later you should be in ketosis. Even though it's not fat, that big weight loss at the beginning is important. |
Brian.....if glycogen itself has weight and also holds on to water which has weight, how is it that when we start maintenance and eat enough carbs to get us out of ketosis that we do not gain some glycogen/water weight?
BrianB
Posted: Sep. 7 2007, 13:57 ET
Quote (Ada @ Sep. 07 2007,13:37) Quote (BrianB @ Sep. 07 2007,13:23) Well, it's not all water -- it's water and glycogen. Once the glycogen is gone, 48 hours later you should be in ketosis. Even though it's not fat, that big weight loss at the beginning is important.
Brian.....if glycogen itself has weight and also holds on to water which has weight, how is it that when we start maintenance and eat enough carbs to get us out of ketosis that we do not gain some glycogen/water weight?
Great question. Answer is - eventually you will. Once you're eating enough calories that you aren't in a calorie deficit, you'll store up some glycogen and water and put on some "weight". This is normal, and a good thing. I've finally (just today) decided to stop trying to run so darn lean on glycogen. When I do my "carb load" days, instead of then trying to burn the glycogen off as fast as I can (to get back to that happy number on the scale), I'm going to eat enough to leave it there. Having a good glycogen reserve seems to help my workouts and also seems to help me hold on to water (stay hydrated) a bit better (in my limited experimentation so far). Of course this means my weight is going to go up, and maybe I'll have to get used to weighing something that starts with "18" instead of "17" -- but it's just a mindset and I should be able to deal with it. It's not fat -- so who cares, right!?!?
tommyboy
Posted: Sep. 7 2007, 14:05 ET
Congrats JenniferB and Robert, you guys are doing great already
Ada
Posted: Sep. 7 2007, 14:21 ET
Quote (BrianB @ Sep. 07 2007,13:57) Once you're eating enough calories that you aren't in a calorie deficit, you'll store up some glycogen and water and put on some "weight". This is normal, and a good thing. .......... It's not fat -- so who cares, right!?!?
So.....am I understanding correctly from this then that when Glenna says her scale shows she is up a few pounds but her measurements haven't changed that his means the extra "weight" she is talking about is glycogen/water weight and not fat? 
JenniferB
Posted: Sep. 7 2007, 14:22 ET
Hey,
Robert i have been drinking like 4-5 litres a day! Its crazy!!! And when the lady checked me today she said it came up that i was in ketosis.... So i will be excited to go in on Monday!
I am still sooooooooooo hungry though!
BrianB
Posted: Sep. 7 2007, 14:55 ET
Quote (Ada @ Sep. 07 2007,14:21) Quote (BrianB @ Sep. 07 2007,13:57) Once you're eating enough calories that you aren't in a calorie deficit, you'll store up some glycogen and water and put on some "weight". This is normal, and a good thing. .......... It's not fat -- so who cares, right!?!?
So.....am I understanding correctly from this then that when Glenna says her scale shows she is up a few pounds but her measurements haven't changed that his means the extra "weight" she is talking about is glycogen/water weight and not fat?
Almost certainly yes. Generally just as your body won't start burning fat in great quantities until your glycogen stores are empty, it won't start storing fat in any great quantity until your glycogen stores are full. Ideally you'd like to get your glycogen stores part way full and let them fluctuate up and down -- never getting empty or full -- once you're on maintenance. It's easy to know when they are empty -- you get ketones in your urine 48 hours after you run out of glycogen. Knowing when they are full is almost impossible. One way to know would be to overeat intentionally and get a BodPod (accurate body fat analysis) done every day. In the beginning your lean mass would increase and your fat mass wouldn't change much (because glycogen and water count as lean mass). At some point your lean mass would stabilize and your fat mass would start increasing. Then you'd know your glycogen stores were full. Personally, I love science experiments, but even I'm not willing to go that far.
The second best way to know if you're losing/gaining glycogen/water as opposed to fat is by how fast you're gaining or losing it. If you gain (lose) 5 pounds in a day -- it's not fat -- it's glycogen/water or body waste or something else. However if you're overeating and are gaining about 1 to 3 pounds in a week, that's probably fat. Basically fat gains and losses will roughly play by the "fat math" rules (1 pound of fat = 3500 calories) while glycogen/water doesn't (you gain/lose much more glycogen/water since glycogen is stored with water about 1 part to 4 parts by weight). So, to free up 100grams of glycogen for energy, you "lose" 500 grams of weight because 400 grams of water is also let go in the process.
It is important to note that while in ketosis, the "fat math" rules appear to be violated because you lose fat so much faster than the fat math dictates. That's because ketosis is wasteful and incompletely metabolizes the fats, wasting part of them (and shedding them in your urine). Ketosis lets you cheat and get less than 3500 usable calories from each pound of fat, thereby letting you lose fat faster.
Anyway, I've rambled too much here. Hope all this means something to someone and helps.
Ada
Posted: Sep. 7 2007, 15:13 ET
| Quote (BrianB @ Sep. 07 2007,14:55) |
| It is important to note that while in ketosis, the "fat math" rules appear to be violated because you lose fat so much faster than the fat math dictates. That's because ketosis is wasteful and incompletely metabolizes the fats, wasting part of them (and shedding them in your urine). Ketosis lets you cheat and get less than 3500 usable calories from each pound of fat, thereby letting you lose fat faster. |
Now that little tidbit is fascinating!! Keep on "rambling" Brian.....we all learn so much.!